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The War of 1812 and the Mexican War and the Korean War

Posted by mandisolomon on 25th November 2008

After the war of 1812 there seemed to be a very large econmonic boom which had never been seen after the Rev War. Monroe had the veterans paid pensions no matter if they had an injury of if they did not. He also included “peace time” veterans in this decision. These pensions were only possible due to the fact the United States was in an econmonic boom. People were more willing to part with their money. Also a factor was that enlisted men did not live as long as officers and therefore would not have to be paid as much as officers in pensions. Also wanted was a pension for those who still lived from the Revolutionary War. But many felt that every citizen was part of the Revolution in an equal way. But the government passed the pension plan for the War of 1812 veterans and the Rev War veterans. The bill was passed in 1818 and then the ecomony crashed in the panic of 1819. But the United States always got back on their feet and the pension plan was finally put in place so that no matter what veterans would have money. But was it a good thing to make a pension plan in a time when you couldn’t just click a button and find someones information? Because so many Americans took advangate to the pension plan evn through they had never seen war.

Who should recieve pensions? Well very few were allowed pensions after the Revoluntionary War. One was Baron von Steubon who was an officer who was not doing well after the war. But Von Steubon had said before the war that he was working for free and that he excepted no money from this. In the end Von Steubon was given a large amount of money for life. But Von Steubon was an execption to the rules for Revoluntary War veterans and their pensions. Even Paine (the author of common sense) was not given money for the war.

The Korean War was the forgotten war and i believe that the wages of war was not right in the way it described this war. It did not go with the ideas i had heard of before.

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The Women Veterans

Posted by mandisolomon on 20th November 2008

Frances Liberty was the a nurse during the Second World War because she had just finished nursing school and the army needed nurses very badly.  As soon as she joined the war she was made a second lieutenant. In the beginning of the war the women nurse were not looked at with much favor but later on in the war people started to see the good the nurses were doing and therefore there was respect for them. She was send by ship to go help the boys and in a lot of ways she was treated like one of the boys.

Regina H. Schiffman entered the Army Nurse Corps in 1949. She was part of the officers training and there uniforms included pinks and greens. She was in the Army Nurse Corps in both the Korean War and the Vietnam War. She left the service in 1970. During Korea she was stationed in Penn and was send the war wounded there. Then six months later she ended up in Korea, i can’t imagine going to a Korea like that and seeing the wounded right off the fields. She did not go to Vietnam. Instead she was teaching nurses for army. She never understood why she was treated so well while her counterparts in Vietnam were treated so badly.

Mrs. Prescott was in the Army Nurse Corps during the Vietnam War. She was inside the United States during this war and therefore did not she the war the way the last two women saw the war. Mrs. Prescott came from a military tradition which was a big reason why she went into the Army. The army paid for nursing school so this first years of her service was spend in nursing school. She worked in the operating room in Texas when the war wounded were sent over from Vietnam.

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War the American Way

Posted by mandisolomon on 13th November 2008

The reading starts off with telling the reader why the United States was so different after the Second World War when it came to fighting wars. The United States declared themselves the world police force in fighting for the “free world.” There arose problems with this kind of thinking because it meant that the government send the United States to war when the countries citizens were not always for the war. This means that the country went to war “divided, unperpared, and unable to avoid an initial series of defeats.” The first big war to come after the Second World War was Korea. It looked like there would be a victory but then China joined the war. The war ended in a truce because there was little else that could be done except also fight China. A new way to war also was started in Korea, bring back the war dead. Those that fought in Korea and were killed were brought back. The public did not question this decision because it seemed like the right thing to do. But when the dead soldiers returned, there gravestones did not say that they fought in the Korea War because it was never declared a war but instead was described as a police action. And to try to get the support of the “police action” the government always made connections back to the Second World War because that was the grand war that the American people were proud of. But the government did not give a memorial to these Korean War veterans and fallen heroes but instead the Korean government was the first to have memorials put up for the men who had fought for South Korea. In fact the American government did not decide to build a memorial for these men until the Vietnam memorial was going to be built. This just goes to show that men who fought are not always thanked the way they should be.

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Wages of War Ch 23- 27

Posted by mandisolomon on 10th November 2008

The start of the Chapters on Vietnam start with a theme we have seen countless times in Americans history of fighting wars. The author tells us about how men from the lower classes were to ones to fight. But what the author also tells us is that for the first time these men were barely men at all. Those that fought in Vietnam were on average younger then any of the men  who at fought before. “Their average age was just over nineteen,” whereas the WWII soldiers were on average twenty-six. This war was different from all the rest. The enemy was smaller and no one knew who he really was. Also this war was costing the US unknown billions and would cost even more in Veterans bills. Then the biggest change came into play, News. This war was the first to see coverage from the actual lines of war. And for the first time the US could see the war on there TV. The problem with the Vietnam War was as the authors say “a war that contained so much bad judgment in its conception, initiation, and financing was bound to go wrong in its execution.” And because this war went so badly and because the news was so involved the US citizens saw every mistake from there TV set at home. The book gives an example of a mistake that the public became very much aware of, the Calley case. In this case public is shown a side of the Vietnam soldiers that was not seen in other wars. This dark side is how the US people decided to start generalizing what the Vietnam soldier looked and acted like. This is how the citizens began to see the Vietnam soldier as a monster and therefore was no hero to them. And not only were these men monsters for what they were doing over there but they were coming back extremely wounded and having this new mental issue called PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder). Therefore these men and women needed VA treatment at the VA hospitals. This mean that the tax payers money would be going to pay for these men for who for some would for the rest of there lives be dependent on there veterans pay. Also a problem that came from this war was the “chronic unemployment” of the black veterans. These men were already given less oppositions because of there race but then the fact that they were veterans of the Vietnam war made them very unwanted. The problems the veterans faced were only made worse because of the fact that Nixon was being looked at for the Watergate scandal. Therefore he was not willing to put money anywhere and the veterans hospitals were one those that were not given enough money for the amount of wounded that came back from Vietnam.

The VA became a large part of the United States, it was mostly health care for those come home from war. These cares included hospitals and these hospitals were not always well kept for the veterans in need. And when “agent orange” began to take hold of the veterans the government decided that they we just start saying the word no. No you have no reason to think that the reason you are sick is because of the war so stop trying to take money from the hard working americans. Instead, out of all the cases that came up only one was honored as an “agent orange” illness and therefore no one but that one person would be given money to help them with there illness. So these men who had put in there clams were never looked at by VA doctors. Those in charge were merely going my the little knowledge they had on their own without scientific proof to back up the lack of action. Even when leading scientist brought up the fact that the same toxin found in “agent orange” had been found in others they refused to give out the money or to even listen to what the scientist were telling them about the health rises of having this toxin in their bodies. These men thought they were helping the tax payers by not helping the veterans.

All these problems just kept being swept under the rug by everyone from the government to the companies that had made the toxin in the first place. The government said it would look into the matter but little was ever really done for the men and women who served in Vietnam. The government even tried to make the matter just go away but these men and women were still fighting but instead of an enemy, they were fighting for there lives because of a war that had brought them so much pain. These were the veterans no one wanted from a war that America just wanted to forget.

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Born on the Fourth of July 2

Posted by mandisolomon on 6th November 2008

In the second part of the reading Ron is moving into the a marine way of life. This is what he has wanted his whole life and he thinks nothing can get in the way of this prefect dream. What he finds is the hardest train of this life and he feels like giving up many times but for some reason he continues on and gives it his all because this has always been his dream. This drive to be a marine is something that seems to be a common theme in his life. He ha so much drive to do everything from sports to his faith. He has this faith that seems to be getting him though this training and this war. It’s so much stronger then any of the other authors we have read from in the past books. Something that is the same from the other books is the treatment in the training camps. The book with the same theme to a t is Doing Battle. Paul is also made to feel like nothing but dirt. Ron is called a lady and made to feel like dirt everyday and i think that stayed with him throughout the war.

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Born on The Fourth of July

Posted by mandisolomon on 4th November 2008

i have to say that out of all the books we have read this is truly my favorite. I find this story easier to get in to, maybe it’s because there seems to be a plot, or a story to this true tale. In other words i found Ron Kovic very interesting and i found his story one that is very real and pleasure to read. After reading this story i found that Ron’s story really is the story of the Vietnam veteran. Ron lives his life with death always on his mind. His life is one of remembering those who died around him and remembering that he almost died. Sometimes he would go to sleep and think he would just die in his sleep. This thought of death is something he had to live with forever. Because he remembers this death and hate, he finds that he wants to tell people his story so that those that come after him will learn not to start silly wars that do nothing but kill. I find this something that a lot of other Vietnam veterans want to do. The Vietnam veteran is really the first veteran group to have a mass movement to stop wars. For Ron this is how he finds a way to move on with his life. This hate for war and this want to keep future generations from going to war is really what gets Ron to want to life again and i find that is a common theme with Vietnam veterans.

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